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@JIM:  I don't believe there is a god...that is NOT the same as saying there is no god.  It simply is a request for proof.  When Jesus is proved to be real, then the religion of Christianity would be considered the Science of Christianity.

BTW...the video is sophmoric...I've seen better "miracles" in Irish Hills, Michigan....the "Mystery Spot" comes to mind, where water "flows" uphill.  Awesome.

Happy 1st of April, Jim.

So, you know Jesus, eh?  Next time you hang out, could you ask him about his whereabouts during his teens and twenties?  I've always wondered...

...for a great (fictional) account, read "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Jesus' Childhood Pal" by Christopher Moore--one of my favorite novels ever.

An interesting story; I want to learn more about it.  And, I don't need to go overseas to find miracles though or to prove the power of Jesus.  I have witnessed (and have proof for nay-sayers) of at least two medical miracles from faith and prayer, and I have knowledge of many more from others who can assert to these things, I have personally been healed of a back injury science and medicine could not fix (I have medical records of that too), and I can put you in touch with individuals who suffered from "social" disorders (drugs, alcohol, sex) that got "treatment" but were not healed until prayer and faith.  And, I even know some individuals who have "raised" an accident victim from the dead (no breathing, no pulse, and no CPR).  MY GOD IS ALL POWERFUL and CAN DO ALL THINGS.  

Great post!  And, yes, it must be a dark world indeed for non-believers. . . I suppose that's why they are always so angry in their posts.

God Bless You (and your family,) Jim.

By the way, His greatest Miracle (for me anyway) is that He brought me to Him with patience when I was lost and did not believe (Yes, I was once an atheist--and I say that with deep regret, not pride).  I praise God that I could be saved from my miserable death.  Thank you, Jesus!

AJohnson...thank you very much.  I too fell badly for those that put God outside of their lives. I feel sorry for our children that can't bring God into their schools. But what really makes me pray for those that don't believe is they don't try to understand the truth or all the miracles. Science has never been able prove that God or Jesus never existed. In fact, if one really follows the footsteps of Jesus, science actually proves Jesus did exist and performed many miracles. In the days when there was no internet or blogging, the world knew that Jesus existed and from the only proof there was at that time and still the greatest proof used to this day: empirical evidence. “Now when Jesus heard this, he withdrew from there in a boat to a deserted place by himself. But when the crowds heard it, they followed him on foot from the towns. When he went ashore, he saw a great crowd; and he had compassion for them and cured their sick. When it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, ‘This is a deserted place, and the hour is now late; send the crowds away so that they may go into the villages and buy food for themselves.’ Jesus said to them, ‘They need not go away; you give them something to eat.’ They replied, ‘We have nothing here but five loaves and two fish.’ And he said, ‘Bring them here to me.’ Then he ordered the crowds to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven, and blessed and broke the loaves, and gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds. And all ate and were filled; and they took up what was left over of the broken pieces, twelve baskets full. And those who ate were about five thousand men, besides women and children.

But what is even more powerful comes from the more than 1500 that witnessed his death on the cross but also witnessed his empty tomb. So what proof could be greater than all this? The hundreds that saw Jesus walk amongst them after his crucifixion. No internet and no blogging. The word from the eyes of the people. His followers and His adversaries could not explain what they saw. Except that it was Jesus who rose from the dead.

Now Victor, can you do that? Know anyone who can?

Ellen...why don't you go to His temple and ask him for yourself? And if you don't believe in God or Jesus, just follow the other nine commandments. Pretty interesting how that works, hey Ellen and jmark?

I know of a woman who was diagnosed with cancer shortly after giving birth to her second child. She believed in Jesus. She prayed. Her congregation prayed for her every Sunday. Her friends, relatives and husband prayed. She died leaving two young children behind, the youngest of which was a year old.

Al, You must be really special for Jesus to give you preferred treatment.

jmark...your last comment was so filthy I could not publish it. You constantly send me such vulgar and filthy comments. As do other atheists. Why jamrk? Because I believe in God and Jesus? And why do so many of you hide behind fake names too?  God bless you jmark.

But the one I did publish, above, shows that you are in need of God's blessing. You know little about politics and nothing about God and how life works. God doesn’t control life on earth as you would like to think He should. God wants you to obey the Ten Commandments. I’m a Christian, and an ambassador, who would like to see you at least obey the other nine. Isn’t that what good people do regardless of their faith or lack of? That was instilled in your heard at birth. Interesting, isn't it?

Thank you Jim (but really Jesus) for your inspired post above--beautiful and compassionate.  And thank you too for the response to Jmark who sadly lost a friend.  You were eloquent and thoughtful in that response too.  Yes, we can only pray and have Faith . . .  and only hope to understand--that is difficult for believers and non-believers alike.  Jmark, I'll pray for your friend. . . and for her family . . . and for you.

God Bless!

Al,  Since you have such clout with the BIG GUY, why don't you reserve your prayers/wishful thinking for the children of Darfur.

Amen brother, amen!!

To Vic and jmark. If God does not exist, than objective moral values do not exist. But objective moral values do exists. Therefore, God does indeed exist.

I will also pray for you jmark and hope someday you can learn to live a happy life. I don’t think you know what that is like. If you still do not want to trust the Lord, learn to be kind and happy and not so hateful. It seems you hate everyone who is not a flaming liberal, and anyone who believes in God. Can’t you try to accept those for what they are? This is why liberals are so fake. Most atheists are liberal and from all I read here on the LLC blog site are intolerance, hate, and disrespect for conservatives and Christians.

jmark...until you stop with the vicious and vulgar language, I will not publish your comments. Which by the way, lack any knowledge and proof to support your whining. However, please read my comment again. God does not control everything that goes on here on earth. I gave you the clue but either (again) you can't read and comprehend at the same time or you don't read the entire blog or comments.

Jmark, I will again (and do) pray for an end to suffering-- for children in places like Darfur, for families torn apart by wars in their country, for those who are sick or weak, or tired, the poor, the helpless, for your friend and her family, for my friends and my "enemies" alike (note the quotes around that)--the question I ask is: Why won't/don't you?

AJ

Where was the "proof to support your whining" when you accused me of being a racist?

Given your close relationship, I suppose god cuts you some slack from time to time.

THE 9th COMMANDMENT

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Boy, Jim, maybe it's time for someone (maybe me) to start a "Christian" blog.  I'm not sure I want to deal with the vulgarity and the hatred of the respondents though.  Thanks too, BillyJ--great post.  

jmark…again and again, read the post and the comments. I said God might accept you if you at least follow nine of the commandments since you don’t believe in God. Not the ninth commandment. In fact, if you follow all but numbers one and four, we can pray for you so you have a place in heaven.

As long as I have your attention, Billy’s comments hit the nail on the head. After reading it, how can you still not believe? But is there any chance we can help you get rid of your hate for those that don’t follow your lead?

Al...we would love for you to do a Christian post. Maybe, just maybe, you could convert one of these hateful nonbelievers. I see atheists convert often at our church. Maybe you and I can move some to God. Maybe we can move one or two here to just follow the commandments that govern life and decency in general.

Billy...you make a great point about the hypocrisy of liberals, though I wish not to turn this into a political post. However, liberals constantly complain and talk about "tolerance, acceptance of others religions, race, gender." But when you listen to people like jmark, MC, Jacob, you get just the opposite. jmark, practice what you preach, and are told by your political parties, and you just might see the light!

Al, We need more laughs. Please start a christian blog.

Billj, if your god had any moral values he wouldn't have committed the horrific acts that he did. Tell me, how do you justify killing newborns, as your god does in the book of Exodus? I thought you Christians were against killing babies.

I hate to burst your bubble but, your god is a mass murderer.

Brother jmark,

Get to know your facts before you write such garbage. This is not from the Christians as you want to believe but an oppressive leader. This is where God saved Moses and the Ten Commandments started. This does not prove that God or Jesus do not exist or never did. It proves that God and Jesus did indeed come to earth. How can you be so blind?

www.oldwellcc.org/files/August_24_2008.doc This is where the story that we are looking at today picks up. The Pharaoh has to take a more drastic measure – he has to start a process of genocide. He starts small, deciding only to kill the newborn boys, and by only instructing a small number of people about what he believed was going to happen, that is, by commanding Shiphrah and Puah to kill the baby boys before the mother knows that he is living. In other words, by making the birth appear to be a still birth

Pharaoh is an oppressive leader, mainly because he is ignorant of history, racist, and afraid of losing his job, or possibly dying. In many ways, Pharaoh reminds me of a personality in more recent history – Adolf Hitler. Hitler did the very same thing that the Pharaoh did. He went after all the people he was afraid of, all the people that did not fit into his specific idea as to who was worthy, anyone he did not understand. When the Holocaust is spoken of, we often only hear about what Hitler did to the Jews. It is often left out that he also did all of these same things to homosexuals, political enemies, intellectuals, immigrants, gypsies, and Jehovah’s witnesses. At first, the oppression started small, as with Pharaoh, requiring these people to wear patches at all times that identified who they were. Then the oppression grew, as it did with the Pharaoh, to systematic genocide. Hitler’s army would come into people’s homes, and take them to camps, where they were malnourished, worked to the bone, and, if that did not kill them, were executed in many horrific ways.

Billyj,  here it is, from the bible.

Exodus:12: "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.

23: When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

"Strike down every firstborn". Sounds like infanticide to me.

jmark...God also destroyed those on earth due to their sins. Why do you think He sent Jesus?

"The Egyptian king (pharaoh), fearful of the Hebrews' numbers, orders that all newborn Hebrew (Israelite) boys be thrown into the Nile. A Levite woman saves her baby by setting him adrift on the river in an ark of bulrushes. The pharaoh's daughter finds the child, and names him Moses, and brings him up as her own. But Moses is aware of his Hebrew origins, and one day, when grown, kills an Egyptian overseer who is beating a Hebrew man, and has to flee into Midian[1] There he marries, and while herding the flocks of his father-in-law Jethro[2] on Mount Horeb,[3] encounters God in a burning bush. God reveals his name, Yahweh, to Moses, and tells him to return to Egypt and lead the Hebrews into Canaan, the land promised to Abraham.

Moses returns to Egypt, and God instructs him to appear before the pharaoh and inform him of God's demand that he let God's people go. Moses and his brother Aaron do so, but the pharaoh refuses. God causes a series of plagues to strike Egypt, but the pharaoh does not relent. God instructs Moses to institute the Passover sacrifice among the Hebrews, and kills all the firstborn children and livestock throughout Egypt. The pharaoh then agrees to let the Hebrews go. Moses explains the meaning of the Passover: it is for Israel's salvation from Egypt, so that the Hebrews will not be required to sacrifice their own sons, but to redeem them."

From Exodus.

jmark...There is no single, universally accepted theory regarding the origins of Exodus:

en.wikipedia.org/.../Exodus

If you can't influence the king by using diplomacy, inflict his people with disease. And if that doesn't work, try slaughtering some newborns. I give god credit for being persistent.

Are you questioning the validity of the book of exodus? Isn't that heresy?

Jmark…your answers are in the Book of Genesis. God does punish and can be vengeful to those that are guilty. God punished the Jews for 40 years and many most likely died when they were exiled. All this will happen again to those that are guilty and don’t believe. Look around you and read the vile hate from people like you, MC, Jacob and other atheists who don’t believe. You don’t see or hear that kind of hate from Al, Amy, me and others. When I do get bad thoughts and I lean towards hate for you due to your absolute disregard for God and those that don’t follow your sick and demented way of thinking and life, God comes to my side and helps me change. You don’t have God to help you. But you could if you wanted to. That’s where satin comes in. But you once had a choice and you chose to side with satin. This is why Christians say they will pray for you. We hope God takes kindly on you. That’s why you need to follow what Billy said: objective morals. I say, follow the other eight commandments.

Being a Diest I do believe there is a God. I just don't believe that he  shows himself to the living,I do not doubt he performs miracles . I do hope to meet him  after my time  in this world  is over  but  I somehow doubt he will ask me if  I read his book. By MY beliefs he will look back  on how  I lived MY life and  pass his judgement  on ME accordingly. If you notice most religions  believe that they are the only one to be chosen as his children. Do Christians believe all Muslims are bound for hell even the non radicals who do much for their perspective communities as also would the Jews or any other non christian religion

Carl...no, Christians do not believe all Muslims will end in hell. Only those that don't follow God's Commandments will perish with satin.  No religion and no God says to kill all that don't convert to your branch of belief.

But it is written that only thru me(jesus) will they know the father..so if they haven't found christianity then...what?

Carl...not sure of your question. But remember that objective morality is in you from birth. You know right from wrong the second you are born.

Jim, you've got me worried about this "satin" character.  Is he related to the dreaded "silk"?

:)