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McCain, Constitution, Christianity

By MC Pickard
Tuesday, Jun 10 2008, 07:57 AM

One has to wonder if John McCain has ever bothered to read the Constitution, or the Bible for that matter. In an interview on belief.net McCain is asked three questions regarding the role of Christianity and in the founding of our country.

McCain, inarticulately hamfists his way through this interview. These questions are pretty easy to answer, but being a guy that vitally needs the religious right to vote for him without alienating the mainstream of society, he has to carefully position and parse his answers. His lack of citing the Constitution or the Bible for support also demonstrates that he has no clue in how to answer what he is being asked.

Here's a video abstract of his answers. You can see the whole video here.

"Most Americans believe the Constitution established a Christian nation. Do you agree?"

McCain, with discomfort states "probably yes."

What? Probably yes? The Constitution is a legal document and nowhere does it explicitly state that Christianity as the official religion of the US. In England, the Anglican Church is the official Christian practice and thus receives taxes. In the US, the Church is separate from the state and does not receive taxes and does not have to support the state by being taxed. Nowhere does the Constitution state "God." This is unlike the recently minted constitutions of Afghanistan and Iraq, where Islam is the official religion and that no (secular) law may contradict the Koran. Furthermore, the Constitution explicitly states that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." I do not know how more explicit against an establishment of Christianity you can be, or any other religion for that matter. Hint: an establishment of religion is like being pregnant. You either are or you are not. So there is no "probably."

McCain continues to add that, although the Constitution establishes Christianity, it is in the "broadest sense." But not so broad to include Judaism. Although both religions share the Old Testament and Yahweh, the similarities stop there. Their practice, belief, and worship in a sacrificed, risen messiah hopelessly divides them both. Both Christianity and Judaism are mutually exclusive. The answer is also very vague.

McCain goes on to mention other great American sentiments that have nothing to do with the Constitution, but are often skewed by the religious right who want to replace a democracy with a theocracy. Again, two mutually exclusive concepts.

(Also, I object to the wording and the premise of the question, but I'll save that for another time.)

Many Republican activists say that separation of church and state is a myth. What is your opinion?

In the first question, McCain answered a (weak) yes, yet now says that, in fact, the US has separated church and state. Okay. Does he see the obvious contradiction between both answers? You can not have one or the other. McCain could have cited a specific example from the Constitution where it expressly establishes Christianity, but instead he now says that this establishment is on "Christian principles." What are "Christian principles?" If he means the articles of faith that one must subscribe to to be a Christian, then no. But if he means charity, reciprocity, and basic humanism then yes. However, all religious and the non-religious espouse basic kindness, so being kind and good is not solely the providence of Christianity.

McCain then goes on to sum up the religious beliefs of our the founders. That's all very nice and all, but we are talking about law of the land here. And nowhere did any of the founders, Madison, Jefferson, Madison, Paine, Allen etc ever state "In God We Trust." This statement was added later in 1957 to our currency. The phrase "All created equal" is not part of the Constitution, but part of the Declaration of Independence. This declaration of war, does not explicitly state or even imply the Christian God.

Is America exceptional because it is divinely chosen?

This has to be one of the most poorly answered questions. Why did not McCain just answer with the platitude of "God bless America" and move on? Again he makes an appeal to whatever "Christian principles" are and also states that the Founders were "inspired" by these very same Christian-Judeao beliefs. BS. While many of the Founders were Christian, Jews, and some were deists, if it wasn't for the fact that they were Enlightenment rationalists and dissident protestants agreeing to separate church and state, we would not have had a secular democracy today. That was the boldest move.

How do we know this? We know this by many things, like the Virginia State constitution (where much of the US Constitution is based upon), from legal document like the Treaty of Tripoli, or from the private correspondence between Jefferson and Madison. And we also know by the critics. Take Reverend George Mason for instance, who stated that "we will have every reason to tremble, lest the Governor of the universe, who will not be treated with indignity by a people more than individuals, overrun from its foundations the fabric we have been rearing and crush us to atoms in the wreck." The rhetoric is the exactly the same today when Christianity attempts to Christianize the commons and the schools and loses in court.

No. They were inspired, not by Christianity, but by secularity. The resounding silence of the Constitution about God and Christianity and the fact that nowhere is it written into law that there are "no other gods before me" within our founding legal document should put McCain's assertions to rest.

Yet it doesn't. McCain is playing to the religious right. The religious right wants to take away American's freedom to worship and replace it with they way they think you should or should not worship. This is patently UnAmerican.

Comments

The Shoe Guy   

"Many Republican activists say that separation of church and state is a myth. What is your opinion?" Separation of church and state is a fact. Religion should nevre have anything to do with GOV. American's should have freedom of worship thats what makes us strong. The more religions in this country the better.(My Sally Pla Experiment)

June 10, 2008 11:26 AM

MC Pickard   

@Shoe: Very good. Hey, I should have pointed out in my post that I do not think that all republicans or conservatives agree with McCain on this issue, that's why I defined it as the "religious right."  Also, the more I think about it, McCain may also be trying to appeal to those evangelicals who would vote for Obama. Either way, I really don't care what someone practices until it becomes a church/state issue, or unless, they are trying to convert me.

June 10, 2008 11:40 AM

AJohnson911   

Hey MC--

I'll be unavailable for a bit--have to "renovate" the basement after the storms/flood (sump failed).  Not too bad or anything but need time to clean/drywall/tile (not carpet again), etc., etc.)  Thanks.

AJ

PS-maybe you or someone else could use your blog spot for people to request help, used furniture, cleaning supplies, a meal?  Just a thought.  I am actually in great shape considering some I know and that my damage is asthetic and not property loss is a blessing.  Though you may think it silly, I hope you don't mind that I offer those who are suffering my prayers.

Thanks.

June 10, 2008 2:35 PM

MC Pickard   

AJ - Hey, I am sorry to hear about the water damage. I'd give you hand, but I'm getting married this weekend so I have my hands full. But I hear you about having too much stuff. I remember those days when I could move all my stuff in a hatchback.

Otherwise, sure. I would love to use my blog as part of a forum to help people out. How do you suggest I do this? If you want to email me your information, I'd love to do a post on here for requesting the items you or someone else needs.

June 10, 2008 2:45 PM

AJohnson911   

Congratulations on the wedding--I'll pray for better weather than last weekend.  My wife and I are 14 years (plus three kids) in July.  May you be married long and happily.

Actually, I'm really good; I have great neighbors.  Thanks for the offer of help though.

I don't know how one would set up a forum for those needing help.  I have been helping as I can those I knwo but by word of mouth.  Maybe just offer up a space for "Flood Stories" with an invitation for those that need help to request items they need.  You know, I borrowed a big shop vac from the guy two doors down, and some drain tubing to move the sump pump water away from the house a bit more.  I have loaned out a generator to some people we know and we had a lot of cleaning supplies and gloves at our house for some reason that people took.  I don't know; perhaps people just want a forum to vent or to share their story.  

Thanks again for your offer of help.  Do what you can as a blog, I guess, if you can figure something out.

Thanks.

June 10, 2008 3:08 PM

MC Pickard   

@AJ: Thank you for the congrats and the warm wishes whether they are in prayer or not. And congrats on the 14 years and family - my life partner and I hope to either have children or adopt someday.

RE: flood help. See the forums. There is a a thread centering on the flood damage. It will best serve as a forum for this topic. My blog is meant to be more topically and centered on the news or what I find interesting that day/week.

June 10, 2008 6:27 PM

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About MC Pickard

Primary interest is where religion intersects with the state, issues like evolution, creationism, science, and gay marriage. I am passionate about science, reason and believing in as many true thing as possible. I am critical of religion, skeptical of woo in general. My tertiary interests include city and urban development, art, design, weightlifting, and I can not get enough of Brewers or Packers coverage. I've also been an ordained Minister with the ULC since 5/2007.

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