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Are Religious Beliefs Immune to Criticism?

By MC Pickard
Tuesday, Aug 19 2008, 03:58 PM

As I was cleaning my car over the weekend, I heard intermittent segments of a NPR story about a Chicago-area stand-up comedian who immigrated from Pakistan to attended college in the United States. I am a little unsure of his name even after a google, it was either Azhar Usman or Mohammed Amer that was interviewed.

As a student, away from the pervasive religious environment of Pakistan, this would-be stand-up comedian came to terms with his Islamic beliefs. Muslims share a similar belief that many Christians have about the Bible, that the Koran is the innerrant and literal word of God – or God's own words. After all, Christians, Jews and Muslims share the same belief in the God of Abraham. At college, our comedian learned to think critically and systematically about Islam which helped him to see the absurdity of the Koran, and to reject that notion of the Koran's inerrancy.

When asked by the interviewer, doesn't his deconversion confirm the fear and suspicion by many Muslims that once their children go to American schools they become "liberalized" by Western culture and leave the religion of their parents? Funny thing, this is exactly the same kind of criticism that fundamentalist Christians likewise make about American colleges. I had an ex-girlfriend, a fundamentalist Christian, who said the very same thing. If I recall correctly, he answered yes.

To the Muslim and Christian critics of American colleges, the answer is true – of course. Studies have shown that the more educated you become, the more likely you will abandon theism. (There are notable exceptions of course.)

Why?

Once a person develops their critical thinking, that person can become quite invigorated in challenging everything that was assured to you, as a child, as unquestionable. To the newly minted skeptic, every belief becomes a new test case in examining a claim's reliability. For me, thinking critically became a compliment to my natural curiosity of the world.

The interviewer went on to ask the comedian if he had any sort of theistic belief after his deconversion. He answered that he was now an atheist.

When you examine the content of the blogs at LCL, there is nothing but criticism of other beliefs, such as the endless debates pitching conservatism against liberalism, or the skepticism regarding global climate change. Since our public discourse is equally as rigorous to these secular beliefs, why is religion beyond reproach and examination? Therefore, I want to ask the Christians who read my blog a series of questions - but anyone can feel free to chime in.

Do you feel that this comedian threw the baby out with the bathwater? Do you approve of this comedian's deconversion? His athiesism?

If you approve of his athiesism, should he then convert to Christianity? Why? If it is reasonable for this comedian to question and reject Islam, why is it not reasonable for the Christian to question his faith and perhaps ultimately reject it?

Comments

jmark   

The Christians aren't responding. You might try influencing them by offering 72 virgins...just a thought.

August 19, 2008 10:36 PM

Randy delafield   

Mc, Interesting questions. I feel the the comedians faith in his religion was not strong enough in his own heart to endure the suggestions in college contrary to his beliefs. Personally I could care less what religion anyone is, that’s their business and I don’t condemn anyone's belief in whatever religion they believe in. As long as their beliefs are not forced on me or want to bring harm to me. If the comedian decides he’s atheist hey good for him that's his right as an american. Why should he convert to Christianity he’s already decided there is no god (anyone's god) including his own. It is reasonable for a Christian to question his faith and perhaps ultimately reject it. I know some people personally who have done this. I think it comes down to how strong your belief and faith is in whatever god you believe in. There are allot of highly intelligent well educated people who still believe in a religion or a god. I don’t think becoming a critical thinker automatically makes you wake up and reject your religion. I think religion gives people a sense of comfort knowing that some day they will go to heaven and be happy with god. Let me put it this way if your life sucks and all you have to look froward to is happiness some day in heaven that gives you hope. If your life sucks and you don’t believe in going to heaven and being happy someday then your life really sucks and will for eternity sounds pretty depressing doesn’t it. I would have to agree with a Quote that  jim hate-it made in one of his blogs which I really hate to do but here it is:”I would rather die believing there is a God and find out there isn’t than die not believing there a God and find out there is.”

August 20, 2008 3:29 PM

MC Pickard   

@Randy: Thank you for your perspective. You raise several issues in your post, that I think I will address over time in detail in other posts. One of those issues, is the value of faith in light of evidence. When I finally got serious about deciding again about the god issue, I wanted to do so honestly and on the evidence. The evidence was not there. In this case, having faith despite evidence would have been unwarranted. I can not lie to myself.

Another issue you raise is how a belief in god gives comfort or joy in a person's life. We can likewise find that joy in secular sources as well. God is superfluous. When we are born, we ultimately have to bring meaning to our lives. Life is meaning. We just look for sources to nest or draw that meaning from. We have a Walmart Super-center of those.  

As far as Heaven goes. The belief in Heaven cheapens and devalues life today. For the atheist, every moment is a moment that will never come again. Change is what makes life what it is. An immortal person living an afterlife without conflict or change is not life as we know it. My life is so much more enriched with this knowledge. It is also why I am a (secular) humanist, before I am a liberal. I want to make the world a better place because of just how temporary this existence is for all of us.

Lastly, you quote Jim. That's what is known as Pascal's Wager. (Look it up. Also check out Hume's analysis of it.) I don't know if you attach Hell to that belief, however, let's pretend that such a god and hell exists. What if God values reason, and reason that ultimately rejects Him and rewards the atheist for non-belief? What if God, decides to punish those in Hell who believe in him because of faith?  

Anyway, Randy, you do show that we can examine these issues of faith and religion and they are not completely immune to criticism. Very cool.

August 21, 2008 10:25 AM

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About MC Pickard

Primary interest is where religion intersects with the state, issues like evolution, creationism, science, and gay marriage. I am passionate about science, reason and believing in as many true thing as possible. I am critical of religion, skeptical of woo in general. My tertiary interests include city and urban development, art, design, weightlifting, and I can not get enough of Brewers or Packers coverage. I've also been an ordained Minister with the ULC since 5/2007.

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