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The Friday Fallacy // Argument from Authority

By MC Pickard
Friday, Aug 22 2008, 02:52 PM
With the introduction of industrialization to society, we have become nations of specialists. No longer are we generalists whose sole task is survival. We have become niche workers in specialized fields. The more demanding the position, the more training and experience required.
 
A person today can not spend all the necessary time to train and to be expert in every field and in every sub-discipline of that field. Science would have died after its first practitioners, and the extant of society would be forever configured into small tribal units – eking a subsistence in caves and at the whim of migrating animals. There would be no transcendent knowledge base from one generation to the next.

Therefore, we must rely on experts, to determine what the facts are and how those facts describe the world around us.

Defined
This fallacy is very similar to last weeks fallacy,  instead of appealing to majority opinion, the appeal is either made to what an expert or a perceived authority feels, or a group as justification for a belief. Citing a person's belief as evidence is evidence of that person's belief, not that the belief itself is valid.

There are other varieties of this fallacy, but I am including the ones that are most relevant to the discussions at lcl.

Examples
  1. Einstein believed in God. Are you smarter than Einstein?
  2. A majority of democrats voted to authorize Bush to go to war with Iraq. Therefore, the war is justified.

Example 1: This is a non-sequitar. Einstein did not believe in God. In a letter to a philosopher Eric Gutkind (recently auctioned) Einstein reveals  "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

If you want to use Einstein as an expert for belief in god - that is fine by me.

Regardless of Einstein's beliefs, belief in God is justified only by the evidence. You've only demonstrated what someone else may or may not believe, not that the belief itself has any merit.

Example 2: This argument is deployed as a post hoc rationalization for the war in Iraq. While it is true that there was significant bipartisan support in Congress, that does not substitute for positive and explicit evidence for invasion.  As we all know, the evidence was never found. It's complete absence, is conclusive evidence that such an absence of WMD did not exist according to the explicit allegations made.

In Conclusion
While it is true that we must rely on the testimony of experts, the truth of a claim does not end with that expert alone. Facts on the ground can change and that is why any theory must remain falsifiable to have any value at all.

Otherwise, we succumb to dogma and doctrine.

Comments

Al Neuhauser   

I agree with you about experts. Based on a 45-year career in aerospace and other technical fields, I can say that I met only one person I would consider an "expert".(Not me!) However, I met many who claimed the distinction.

I must, however, quibble with your Einstein quote. While he did not believe in a "personal" God, he was not an atheist. Today, he might be a supporter of Intelligent Design. Here are more complete quotes vis-a'-vis his "religious" beliefs.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."

Myself, I lean a bit more toward the personal, but I do view God as the "Great Designer." I see incontrovertible evidence of intelligent design in the universe around us. (I will soon publish a post on this subject that will no doubt drive you right up the wall. Isn't this fun?)

August 22, 2008 4:51 PM

MC Pickard   

@Al: Well, since we are not begging Einstein as an expert witness, whatever his beliefs regarding god were, are really irrelevant. That's the gist of my post. Isn't funny that we both cited him as either a some kind of theist or atheist? That's the gist here.

Anyway, I look forward to your post regarding ID.

Is your intelligent designer, self designed? Be wary of infinite recursion in your positive argument for such a being. That's my freebie for today.

Thanks for stopping by.

//m

August 22, 2008 5:10 PM

Jim Hayett   

MC…your post is scientific in its entirety from an atheists view. But not from one who believes in God. Including our Founding Fathers. Your WMD example is also scientifically 100% wrong. Why? Saddam used WMD’s and never proved that he ran out or destroyed them. The news sources you use to come up with your conclusion may (no, are) wrong and obviously ideologically motivated. Thus your scientific evidence about WMD’s proves false.

In regards to someone smarter than Albert because he or she believes in God again can only be determined from an atheist. Why? If you knew God and Jesus the way Christians like I do, you too would know that no one is smarter than the other just because one believes in God. And few, if any, Christians use that example. However, you can’t know that because you don’t know what it’s like to know and love Jesus and his father. No scientific evidence can disprove, or prove, what I just said.

And just because you don’t have the evidence that God exists, doesn’t mean God does not exists. That’s from you. Christians like me have the evidence that God and Jesus do exist in a different world. It’s just you prefer to spend your time looking in the wrong places so you can find ways to not have to answer to God the Almighty.  Think real deep into what I just told you. The evidence you need to see, feel, and believe in God is right there for you to grasp. But only if you wish.

August 22, 2008 7:23 PM

MC Pickard   

@Jim: 1) You state "your post is scientific in its entirety from an atheists view." This is special plead, or some rarefied science that I do not know about. Also, Jim, this post is not about science. It is about logic.

2)Iraq: Instead of evidence of WMD you plead a media conspiracy. Silly.

3) You state "If you knew God and Jesus the way Christians like I do" Appeal to faith. You have not demostrated why faith is warranted.

3) You state "No scientific evidence can disprove, or prove, what I just said." Then you have no factual basis for your faith, and furthermore you can not substantiate why such faith is justified. More to the point, you admit that you do not know what you are talking about.

4) You state "And just because you don’t have the evidence that God exists, doesn’t mean God does not exists." Likewise fairies, wood elves, unicorns, satyrs, Zeus, Venus, Thor, leprechauns, compassionate conservatives, aliens on mars, bigfoot, e.t.s, allah, reason in an christian, Posidein... I can name forever things we don't have evidence for that people believe in anyway. Therefore, on your criteria you must accept all of these propositions equally.

5) You state "The evidence you need to see, feel, and believe in God is right there for you to grasp. " Compare to this statement "No scientific evidence can disprove, or prove, what I just said." You are self refuting.

I take your rebuttal here as more as an attack against science and evidence.

August 23, 2008 10:45 AM

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About MC Pickard

Primary interest is where religion intersects with the state, issues like evolution, creationism, science, and gay marriage. I am passionate about science, reason and believing in as many true thing as possible. I am critical of religion, skeptical of woo in general. My tertiary interests include city and urban development, art, design, weightlifting, and I can not get enough of Brewers or Packers coverage. I've also been an ordained Minister with the ULC since 5/2007.

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